An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast

Ep. 35 - From ExMo to HexMo with Guest Courtney Pearl

After a person leaves the Mormon faith, they're often left asking themselves, now what? Where do I find spirituality now? In this episode, Kate talks with fellow exmo Courtney Pearl about her…

Ep. 34 - COVEN-ant With the Goddess

Ep. 33 - Can't See the Forest for the Oaks

The new patriarch is in town! In this episode, Kate & Erika discuss the Mormon church's new prophet, Dallin H. Oaks. The man comes with controversy and they unpack it with their signature humor,…

Ep. 32 - My Cousin Vallow: The Story of Lori Vallow with Guest Megan Conner

Megan Conner shares her inside perspective on the Lori Vallow murders, with René Steelman stepping in for Kate.

Ep. 31 - The Missionary Position: "At Least a Book of Mormon Apart"

Mormon missions are grueling. Kate reveals all the strict, oppressive rules missionaries must adhere to while providing FREE labor to the church as sales reps who pay for their own missions. It's…

Ep. 30 - S(ex)-Communicated! With Guest Natasha Helfer

Abusers, manipulators, groomers are all allowed to stay in the Mormon church. Some are even promoted to the upper echelons of leadership. But Natasha Helfer was excommunicated for refusing to say…

S2E29 Ep. 29 - Rising Through the Flames With Guest Megan Conner

Megan Conner is a remarkable woman with a remarkable story. In this episode, she discusses recovery after being trafficked as a seven-year-old child, and leaving an abusive marriage as an adult. Now…

S2 Clip - Bishop Said WHAT?!?!

Being forced to do things in the sack is a-ok according to the Mormon church, as long as it’s to “keep your family together.” 😳🤮 Two NoMos loved chatting with Joe Rawlins on this episode of, “An…

S2E28 Ep. 28 - Restoration or Racketeering? With Guest Joe Rawlins

Two NoMos continue to explore the lies, fabrications, and discrepancies from the Mormon church that were exposed by the CES Letter. Joe Rawlins lends his expertise. Check out his podcast, "The Church…

S2 Clip - Joseph Smith Was a FRAUD

Joseph Smith was a fraud and a scheister. There is SO MUCH information readily available to refute most of his claims, it’s bonkers that there is even a single member left in the Mormon church. Two…

S2E26 Ep. 27 - Joseph Smith: Lost in Translation With Guest Rob Tobler

Two NoMos dive further into the lies exposed by the CES letter with special guest, Rob Tobler. You can find more content from Rob on TikTok at @president_please_help_me.

S2 Clip - Responding to Mormon Missionaries....

Most people are annoyed when the Mormon missionaries come a knockin'. Erika is not most people...

S2 Clip - Structurally Supported Abuse in the Mormon Church

All of Erika's hairs stood on end when she heard this talk by Alyssa Grenfell at the Sunstone Symposium. Abuse of children is actually baked in to the structure of the church.  Bone chilling. Check…

S2 Clip - Piety to Obtain a Bangin Wife?

Mormons like to say they are "In the world but not of the world." But the very worldly messaging young missionary men receive is anything but pious, and about as basic and worldly as you can get...

S2E26 Ep. 26 - Shining at Sunstone

Kate and Erika had a phenomenal time at the Sunstone Symposium, attending talks by Natasha Helfer, John Dehlin, and Alyssa Grenfell. In this episode, they discuss the highlights.

S2 Clip - "No One From the Church Called When My Son Died."

Guest René Steelman's son died on Christmas Day. Because she had recently left the Mormon faith, no one from the church bothered to reach out to her with comfort. Their "love" was conditional on her…

S2 Clip - The EXACT Moment Kate Left the Mormon Church

The CES letter that highlights all the hypocrisy, falsehoods, and discrepancies of the Mormon church broke Kate's "shelf." So she informed her bishop with confidence and in no uncertain terms that…

S2 Clip - Natasha Helfer EXCOMMUNICATED for Sharing Facts

Clip - Kate, Erika, and René discuss the excommunication of therapist Natasha Helfer from the Mormon church for sharing factual information with her clients. She refused to spread the harmful…

Ep. 25 - Belief CES-Sation: Examining the CES Letter

It’s been two years since Kate left the LDS Church—and what better way to mark the occasion than with a deep dive into the infamous document that helped blow her shelf to smithereens? In this…

S2 Clip - Women Can Grow Humans AND Be Great Leaders

We tried, we really tried to get through a significant chunk of and episode of Ward Radio" with Joe Rawlins on his podcast, "The Church of Korihor." But these Two No Mos just couldn't keep their…