Divergent States
Divergent States
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About This Podcast
Divergent States cuts through psychedelic hype with grounded, curious conversations about what these substances actually do.
Hosted by 3L1T3, founder of r/Psychonaut, the world’s largest psychedelic harm-reduction community, and co-hosted by Bryan, a USMC veteran and advocate for psychedelic healing, the show brings together lived experience, science, and culture without losing its sense of humor.
This isn’t a spiritual podcast.
This isn’t a marketing platform.
No mysticism. No sales pitch. Just real conversations, harm reduction, and honest questions.
We explore how psychedelics shape mental health, creativity, and society, from underground use and peer-support communities to clinical trials, therapy rooms, and shifting public attitudes. Some episodes get serious. Some get weird. All of them are grounded in respect for the people actually taking these substances and living with the outcomes.
Guests include Rick Doblin, Reggie Watts, Leonard Pickard, Anne Wagner, Hamilton Morris, and Rick Strassman.
Divergent States is built on the same principles that made r/Psychonaut work at scale: curiosity without gullibility, openness without losing your footing, and safety without killing the joy.
If you’re looking for guru worship, this isn’t your show.
If you’re looking for thoughtful, funny, and grounded conversations about psychedelics and the lives they touch, welcome to Divergent States.
New episodes every two weeks.
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S2E4 Wade Davis: From Sacred Leaf to Global Scapegoat
In Part One of The Many Faces of Coca, 3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Wade Davis to unpack the long history of the coca leaf and how a plant used for over 8,000 years became globally criminalized.This…
S2E3 ETEREO: What No One Tells You About Iboga Work
Iboga has a reputation.It’s intense. It’s long. It carries real risk. And for some people, it’s life-changing.But what actually happens inside a retreat container? And what does this work look like…
S2E2 Cesar Marin: Microdosing, Midlife, and Reinvention
What happens when a 25-year career at CNN ends — and a new life begins?In this episode of Divergent States, we talk with Cesar Marin, former CNN producer and founder of Microdosing Over 50, about how…
S2E1 Shane Mauss: How Psychedelics Actually Change the Mind
What really happens when psychedelics change someone, and why do some people come back grounded while others spiral into ego, conspiracy, or spiritual bypassing?In this long-form conversation,…
S1E25 Inside Season Two: Integration, Not Escapism
Season Two of Divergent States is about something simple and surprisingly rare: exploring altered states without losing touch with reality.In this preview episode, 3L1T3 and Bryan share two short…
S1E24 Dennis McKenna: Nature, AI, and the Collapse of Separation
Dennis McKenna joins 3L1T3 and Valerie Beltran to discuss the future of psychedelics, indigenous knowledge, and whether we are ready to bring these tools into mainstream culture without repeating the…
S1E23 Betty Aldworth: MAPS, MDMA, and the Battle Over Psychedelic Medicine
In this episode of Divergent States, 3L1T3 sits down with Betty Aldworth, the new co-president of MAPS, as she steps into shared leadership with Ismail Ali following Rick Doblin’s four-decade…
S1E22 David Bronner on Corporate Psychedelics, Mysticism, and the All-One Future
Dr. Bronner’s Cosmic Engagement Officer David Bronner joins Divergent States for a candid, nuts-and-bolts conversation about building an “All One” company culture, pushing for psychedelic policy…
S1E21 Joe Moore on the Future of Psychedelics: From Underground to Mainstream
Psychedelics are no longer the fringe—they’re reshaping medicine, culture, and consciousness itself.In this episode of Divergent States, 3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Joe Moore, co-founder and CEO of…
S1E20 Reggie Watts on Psychedelics, Creativity, and Consciousness
Comedian, musician, and improvisational genius Reggie Watts joins Divergent States for an unfiltered deep dive into psychedelics, creativity, and consciousness. From jamming on LSD and mushrooms to…
S1E19 How Politics Could Derail Psychedelic Medicine — Again
History shows politics can make or break psychedelic medicine, will we repeat the 1960s backlash, or finally move forward? In this episode of Divergent States, we explore the uneasy intersection of…
S1E18 Compass Pathways: Independent Media Talks Psychedelic Medicine
In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Kabir Nath, CEO of Compass Pathways, and Dr. Steve Levine, Chief Patient Officer, to talk about the future of psychedelic medicine. From FDA…
S1E17 Paul F. Austin: Mastering Microdosing and Unlocking Human Potential
In this episode of Divergent States, host 3L1T3 and co-host Bryan sit down with Paul F. Austin, founder of The Third Wave and the Psychedelic Coaching Institute.We dive deep into microdosing…
S1E16 Amber Capone: The Psychedelics Saving Veterans from PTSD
Amber Capone, co-founder and CEO of Veterans Exploring Treatment Solutions (VETS), shares the powerful story of how psychedelic therapy - starting with Ibogaine - helped her husband, Navy SEAL Marcus…
S1E15 William Leonard Pickard - The Acid King, the Rose, and the Return
What happens when the most hunted man in psychedelic history walks free and joins us for a conversation?In this deeply reflective episode of Divergent States, I sit down with William Leonard Pickard:…
S1E14 Dr. Anne Wagner: Can MDMA Fix a Broken Marriage?
In this episode, 3L1T3 sits down with Dr. Anne Wagner, clinical psychologist and founder of Remedy, whose research pushes MDMA therapy beyond the individual — into the space between two people. We…
S1E13 Kyrsten Sinema: Inside the Psychedelic Fast-Track for Veterans
A former U.S. Senator says the federal government is preparing to fast-track psychedelic medicines, especially for veterans with TBI, PTSD, addiction, and treatment-resistant depression.In this…
S1E12 Kevin Cranford – Behind the Curtain at MAPS: Culture, Communication & Controversy
This week, we sit down with Kevin Cranford, Communications Officer at MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), to talk about the upcoming Psychedelic Science 2025 conference —…
S1E11 Tom Feegel: Can Psychedelics Heal the Opioid Crisis?
In this powerful new episode of Divergent States, your hosts 3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Tom Feegel—CEO and Co-Founder of Beond, a pioneering Ibogaine clinic based in Mexico, to discuss the…
S1E10 Seven Principles of the Psychonaut w/ Valerie Beltran
What does it mean to be a responsible psychonaut?In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down again with Valerie Beltran, licensed therapist, harm reduction expert, and educator with the Zendo…
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Divergent States has published 29 episodes since December 2024, covering topics in Life Sciences, Philosophy.
Divergent States is currently highly active with new episodes every 2 weeks. Average episode length is 59m.
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