Episodes 60
Avg. Duration 43m
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Apple Rating 4.7 (63)
Since Aug 2023
Latest Episode Jun 2026

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Dentistry is experiencing an attack by well-funded corporations who want to own the work of each dentist’s hands. While the promises of wealth and ease DSO’s present to owner-dentists appear enticing, experience shows the reality is very different. Just Say No to the DSO is a deep dive podcast for dentists in all stages of their career. It is especially for those who are looking at whether or not the option to sell to a DSO is the right choice. Our expert hosts, Bob Spiel, MBA and Nate Williams, CPA, CFP take listeners on a step by step journey through Season One laying out the realities of selling a practice to a DSO and why this isn't as good as it sounds, or the only option for successful dentists to have a thriving practice. Come and listen for the years of experience inside dentistry, as well as medicine, that have led to their logical arguments and stay for additional audience and listener feedback.
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It All Starts Right Here with Dr. Brendan Gallagher

Jun 03, 2026 1h 2m Transcript

We've looked at serveral dentists deep into their careers and gone over how a DSO doesn't really make sense...what about the doctor with all of the promise in the world on the very front of his…

Now, The DSO Will Make Your Equity...Disappear

May 12, 2026 25m Transcript

This episode exposes the realities behind DSO equity and why selling to a DSO often results in less financial benefit than expected. There is a magic trick all DSOs are trying to pull...the magically…

Sometimes It Pays To Listen To Your Better Half with Dr Mike Crockett Part 2

May 01, 2026 44m

Starting a dental practice can be daunting, but with the right insights and support, it can also be incredibly rewarding. Mike and Christy Crockett, who have navigated the complex world of dentistry…

Sometimes It Pays To Listen To Your Better Half with Dr Mike Crockett Part 1

May 01, 2026 45m

Starting a dental practice can be daunting, but with the right insights and support, it can also be incredibly rewarding. Mike and Christy Crockett, who have navigated the complex world of dentistry…

Unmasking the DSO Deal: What Every Dentist Must Know

Apr 19, 2026 36m

This episode exposes the hidden truths behind DSO deals in dentistry, revealing how dentists are often financially fleeced through complex deal structures. Bob and Nate bring you their expert…

A Smooth Voice From the South With Dr Travis Nixon

Apr 14, 2026 56m

In this in-depth interview, a blue blooded Tar Heel, Dr. Travis Nixon shares his insights on the rise of DSOs, legislative challenges, and how dentists can protect their profession through education…

Getting In and Clawing His Way Back Out with Dr. Brad Langley

Apr 07, 2026 53m

In the world of dentistry, the choice between working within a DSO and running a private practice is a significant one. In this episode, we dive into the insights shared by Dr. Brad Langley, who…

Who Works For Who? 6 DSO Tricks Most Dentists Don't See

Mar 27, 2026 25m

This episode explores the six fundamental principles that reveal why DSO deals are detrimental to dental practitioners. Hosts Bob and Nate dissect the realities of private equity models, emphasizing…

Sage Wisdom is Hard to Come By These Days with Dr. Michael W. Davis

Mar 25, 2026 1h 10m

summaryIn this episode, Dr. Michael W. Davis shares critical insights into the private equity influence on dentistry, the risks of DSOs, and how dentists can protect their practices and patients. A…

Away Game with the Orthodontic Pearls Podcast and Nate Williams

Mar 17, 2026 1h 27m

Nate sits down with the Orthodontic Pearls podcast in order to give his take on owning your own practice and why to stay away from selling out to PE and DSO groups. It's a full panel lineup with Drs.…

The Emperor Has No Clothes

Mar 12, 2026 33m

This episode features a candid discussion on the realities of DSOs in dentistry, highlighting industry failures, ethical concerns, and the importance of dentists making informed decisions about their…

Right Up to the Edge and Back with Dr. Joe Feller

Feb 28, 2026 1h 19m

In this conversation, Nate and Dr. Joe Feller discuss the complexities and challenges faced by orthodontists when considering selling their practices to DSOs. Dr. Feller shares his personal journey…

When Your Reputation Precedes You with Jonathan Martin

Feb 18, 2026 44m

In a conversation between two of the most soothing voices on the internet, Bob Spiel interviews Jonathan Martin, a CPA with extensive experience in dental transitions. They discuss the complexities…

A Conversation With The Dental Banker Bob Affleck

Feb 05, 2026 1h 6m

In this conversation, Bob Affleck shares his extensive experience in the dental industry, discussing the implications of selling dental practices to DSOs. He highlights the challenges and regrets…

Right Up to the Edge and Back with Dr. Blake Maxfield

Jan 14, 2026 1h 5m

Nate sits down with Dr. Blake Maxfield on this amazing interview with a practicing doctor who went through the entire courting and recruitment process where he almost signed the dotted line for a DSO…

The Great Disappearing Trick: DSO Equity

Jan 07, 2026 22m

In this episode, hosts Bob and Nate delve into the myths surrounding DSOs, particularly focusing on the allure of DSO equity. They discuss the reality of ownership structures, the dilution of shares,…

When Are You The Partner...Or The One Being Taken Advantage Of With Dr. Maksim Montatskiy

Dec 10, 2025 40m

In this conversation, Dr. Maksim Montatskiy sits down with Bob and Nate to discuss the complexities of partnerships, particularly focusing on the value and decision-making dynamics involved. He…

Too Big to Sell: Myth vs Reality

Nov 15, 2025 25m

The conversation explores the myth surrounding the belief that dental practices are too large to sell to private buyers. It delves into the origins of this misconception and its impact on the dental…

Practice Transition Advice with Dan and Aaron Lewis

Oct 30, 2025 1h 13m

In this conversation, Nate speaks with Dan and Aaron Lewis about the complexities of dental practice transitions, particularly focusing on the implications of selling to Dental Service Organizations…

A Very Important Math Lesson

Oct 17, 2025 28m

Bob and Nate are back to discuss the common misconception that DSOs pay more for dental practices than private buyers and they are bringing receipts. They delve into the concept of EBITDA, explaining…

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