Learn, Make, Learn
Ernest Kim & Joachim Groeger
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Learn, Make, Learn is two product geeks sharing qualitative & quantitative perspectives to help you make, better. Hosted by Ernest Kim and Joachim Groeger.
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S1E32 Go “Pro” in Every Product Category or Just “Good Enough”?
A question from a previous guest sparks this episode: Do we go “pro” in every product category or do we eschew the spec arms race & embrace “good enough”? We interrogate our own behaviors &…
S1E31 Putting Your Weird to Work with the Co-Directors of The Brand Studios Program at CU Boulder
We get the inside scoop on The Brand Studios master’s program at CU Boulder from its co-directors, Parisa Tashakori & Jeff Gillette. Unique in its accelerated 12-month span & remit across…
S1E30 Starbucks Follow-Up with Zoran Svetlicic
We're joined by Zoran Svetlicic for this fast follow-up to our previous episode on Starbucks’ struggles. A strategist & builder with deep expertise in brand and food & beverage, Zoran pulls…
S1E29 Starbucks’ Struggles & Lessons for Product People
What can product people learn from Starbucks’ recent struggles, and how are these lessons linked to a venerable British book retailer, an upstart French running brand, and a barmy Japanese…
S1E28 Toolbox: Raymond Loewy & the MAYA Principle
Ernest & Joachim go deep on Raymond Loewy’s MAYA Principle: what it is & why it matters, with real world examples of MAYA in action, and what can happen when product teams fail to take the…
S1E27 Off-the-Cuff Smörgåsbord
E & J return from a spring hiatus to discuss a range of topics, from WWDC 2025 to the Era of the Business Idiot, and more.WATCHES & WONDERS – 04:09Don DeLillo: CosmopolisIWC Presents A…
S1E26 Off-the-Cuff: AI Nonsense & More!
We return from hibernation to talk AI nonsense, critique the review industrial complex, promote a return to RSS, and share a raft of recommendations!JOACHIM ON AI NONSENSE – 01:52Previous Discussion…
S1E25 Caveat Emptor?
Ernest’s experience with a boundary-breaking headphone sparks a discussion on caveat emptor, or buyer beware, and just how much risk we, as product creators, should expect buyers to bear.FOLLOW-UPS –…
S1E24 MKBHD, Panels & Pricing
A conversation triggered by MKBHD’s Panels app gets really interesting when we dig into pricing & lessons for people in the business of making products.FOLLOW-UPS – 02:23Are Pop Lyrics Getting…
S1E23 Why is Design So Boring? with Nate Grubbs
We dive into our titular question with Nate Grubbs, who, unlike us, is a professional designer with strong views borne of decades of experience across UX, visual & product design.MEET NATE –…
S1E22 Off-the-Cuff: Miele, Snow Peak & Ableton Live
We go off-the-cuff again, sharing product learnings from Miele vacuums, Snow Peak’s modular IGT system & Ableton’s singular vision for music creation.OFF-THE-CUFF – 00:59JOACHIM RECOMMENDS: MIELE…
S1E21 Apple’s iPhone 16 Event: Lessons & Critiques
In another short(er) format episode, we examine Apple’s recent “Glowtime” event. Please do let us know what you think of this new format at [email protected] or @LearnMakeLearnShow on…
S1E20 A New Episode Format!
We introduce a new, shorter, more off-the-cuff format focused on recommendations that we hope you’ll enjoy. Also, our apologies for the audio getting a bit crunchy in spots—we’re working hard to…
S1E19 Generative AI x Product with Anmol Anubhai
Generative AI: step change or snake oil du jour? We enter this mire with Anmol Anubhai as our guide & insight into the future of GenAI x product creation as our destination. Join us for a…
S1E18 The Weight of History
The pressure to repeat history, as in the previous year’s sales for a given product, can be pernicious. We share ideas for unshackling yourself from this weight so that you can avoid, as Marshall…
S1E17 The Perils of Fan Service
The concept of fan service, which originated in anime and is now common across media, has pervaded the world of product creation as well. We discuss what it is & why it’s vital to serve your…
S1E16 Enough *Is* Enough
When it comes to products and product innovation, in our new era of higher-for-longer interest rates, enough *is* enough.FOLLOW-UPS – 01:23iOS spacebar memeWindup Watch Fair San FranciscoSteven…
S1E15 Daniel Kahneman: Lessons & Critiques
Daniel Kahneman, credited as a grandfather of behavioral economics, passed away in March, and we devote this episode to an unfiltered discussion of his legacy through a product lens.KAHNEMAN’S…
S1E14 Design Thinking: Failure or Fall Guy?
A decade ago, design thinking was all the rage across the corporate world. But, today, it's widely derided as a failed experiment. Is there still a place for design thinking or is it an idea whose…
S1E13 Time to Learn
Apologies for our delay this week! In this episode, with the Watches & Wonders show around the corner, we talk watches & the broader lessons we can draw from a product category rooted…
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