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TalksOnLaw | Joel Cohen & John Morley

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Episodes 11

Avg. Duration 1h 12m

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Apple Rating ★ 5.0 (11)

Since Jan 2026

Latest Episode May 2026

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Every 2 Weeks

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About This Podcast

New Law Order is a podcast about the business of Big Law and the technologies remaking it. Hosts Joel Cohen (founder of TalksOnLaw) and Professor John Morley (Yale Law School) interview the lawyers, founders, academics, and judges quietly, and not so quietly, rewiring the legal industry. Each episode is a candid, on-the-record conversation about what is actually happening inside the world's most prestigious law firms, the rise of AI and legal technology in legal practice, the economics of the modern partnership, litigation finance, the future of associate work, and the structural shifts the legal industry would rather not talk about... but must. Recent guests include: - Brad Karp, Former Chairman, Paul, Weiss - John Quinn, founder, Quinn Emanuel - Chris Bogart, co-founder & CEO, Burford Capital - Mike Gerstenzang, former managing partner of Cleary Gottlieb - Jason Boehmig, CEO, Ironclad - Gretta Rusanow, Head of Advisory Services, Citi Law Firm Group - Jeffrey Toobin, legal analyst and bestselling author - Scott Shapiro, professor, Yale Law School - Hon. Paul Grimm, Duke Law - Richard Sander, UCLA Law Topics include: Big Law strategy, AI in law firms, legal tech, ClearyX, litigation finance, law firm profitability, the partnership model, generative AI for lawyers, deep fakes in evidence, affirmative action after SFFA v. Harvard, and how the legal industry is being restructured by software. CLE-eligible interview versions and additional legal analysis are available at TalksOnLaw.com. New Law Order is a TalksOnLaw production, supported by a grant from the Oscar M. Ruebhausen Fund at Yale Law School. For questions or comments, email the show at [email protected].

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Recent Episodes

S1E11 CJ Mahoney (Meta): Inside Counsel at Scale

May 26, 2026 1h 12m

In this episode of New Law Order, Joel Cohen and Yale Law Professor John Morley speak with CJ Mahoney, Chief Legal Officer of Meta, about one of the hardest legal questions facing modern technology…

S1E10 Richard Sander (UCLA Law): A Mismatch Critique of Affirmative Action

May 05, 2026 1h 6m

Richard Sander, UCLA law professor and economist, has spent decades advancing one of the most controversial arguments in legal education: that large racial preferences in law school admissions may…

S1E9 Mike Gerstenzang (Cleary Gottlieb): AI from the Inside

Apr 07, 2026 0m

Michael A. Gerstenzang, the longtime managing partner and now senior partner of Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton, explains how he positioned one of the world's most established law firms to lead…

S1E8 Judge Paul Grimm: Deep Fakes in the Courtroom

Mar 26, 2026 1h 1m

This week, we’re sharing a timely episode from a related TalksOnLaw podcast, AI Lawyer. In this episode, host Joel Cohen is joined by Judge Paul Grimm for a conversation about one of the most…

Jason Boehmig (Ironclad): The Rise of the Legal Technologist

Mar 10, 2026 1h 17m

Artificial intelligence is beginning to change not just how lawyers work, but what parts of the job remain distinctly human. In this episode of New Law Order, we speak with Jason Boehmig, founder and…

Gretta Rusanow (Citi): The New Math of Law Firm Profitability

Feb 24, 2026

Law firms like to describe themselves as simple partnerships. Economically, they behave more like highly tuned performance machines balancing profit, talent, leverage, and now — technological…

S1E5 Scott Shapiro (Yale Law): Law as Code & the AI Power Shift

Feb 17, 2026

Artificial intelligence is usually sold as productivity: faster research, faster drafting, faster answers. In this episode of New Law Order, Yale Law professor Scott Shapiro explains that the real…

S1E4 Chris Bogart (Burford Capital): Litigation as an Asset Class

Feb 10, 2026

What happens when you stop treating litigation as a cost center—and start treating it like capital? In this episode of New Law Order, Joel Cohen and John Morley sit down with Chris Bogart, co-founder…

S1E3 John Quinn (Quinn Emanuel): Building a World Litigation Empire

Feb 03, 2026 1h 15m

John Quinn proved the legal industry orthodoxy wrong. In a world obsessed with the "full-service" law firm model—where litigation can feel like a service arm for lucrative corporate retainers—Quinn…

S1E2 Brad Karp (Paul Weiss): Law According to Karp

Jan 27, 2026 1h 14m

Brad Karp, Chairman of Paul Weiss, is arguably the most powerful law firm leader in America—and he has had a hell of a year. Eight weeks after suffering a heart attack, Karp faced what he calls the…

S1E1 Jeffrey Toobin: Bending the Knee – Trump's Executive Orders on Law Firms

Jan 20, 2026 1h 16m

What happens when the President of the United States declares war on specific law firms? In a move described as "literally without precedent" , the Trump administration unleashed executive orders…

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New Law Order has published 11 episodes since January 2026, covering topics in Business, Management.

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New Law Order is currently highly active with new episodes every 2 weeks. Average episode length is 1h 12m.

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