Outlawed
Beverly Gray & Jonas Swartz
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In the wild west of abortion bans and restrictions, patients, families, and their doctors are being treated like outlaws. OB-Gyns and abortion care providers Bev and Jonas embrace the American tradition of fighting injustice by sharing their direct line to what’s actually happening in our homes and medical offices.
Each episode’s powerful stories, experts, and resources help us grasp the aftermath of outlawing healthcare and how to talk about it with the people you know. Even with Uncle Bob. Especially with Uncle Bob.
Brought to you by Dr. Beverly Gray, Dr. Jonas Swartz, and Jane Marie’s Little Everywhere.
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S2E19 Conversation Mode: Power On!
Summer’s here and it’s time for Outlawed’s season 2 finale! Bev and Jonas reflect on the podcast’s original goals of making it easier to have those tough conversations about abortion, and highlight…
S2E18 Is adoption an alternative to abortion?
Many people we know and love are adopted or have adopted, but where adoption fits into a reproductive justice framework is nuanced and complex. Dr. Gretchen Sisson, a researcher at Advancing New…
S2E17 League of Mifepristone Defenders
Last week's rollercoaster of legal rulings and misinformation about mifepristone is enough to cause whiplash. Even Bev and Jonas are confused! So these two justice-seeking OB-Gyns activated the bat…
S2E16 Beyond Limits with Dr. Shelley Sella
It was nearly 17 years ago that Dr. George Tiller was assassinated in his church for providing abortion care. In this episode, Bev and Jonas speak with retired OB-Gyn Dr. Shelley Sella, who was…
S2E15 Under the Gynfluence With Dr. Fran
Wandering wombs? Terrifying tampons? After-birth abortions? Science keeps advancing, but peddlers of misinformation persist. In this episode, fact-wielding OB-Gyns Bev and Jonas become a myth-busting…
S2E14 About that new Guttmacher report
The who, where, when, and how of abortion in the United States is challenging to measure, yet understanding the healthcare landscape post-Dobbs remains important for meeting patient needs. The…
S2E13 Parenting is a serious business. Jamilah Lemieux can help.
As abortion providers with families of their own, Bev and Jonas know that abortion is an essential part of many parenting stories. There is no right way to have a family, though today’s guest Jamilah…
S2E12 Meet the abortion pill revolution
Bev and Jonas leave their white coats and their egos behind to better understand the existing network of abortion care outside the clinic. Science journalist Rebecca Kelliher, author of the book Just…
S2E11 The Pregnancy Police State
We’re doctors, not cops. But as more and more miscarriages and self-managed abortions lead to arrests and prosecution, the medical system and law enforcement have become entwined in unsettling ways.…
S2E10 Lessons from the underground
Heather Booth is an original outlaw who provided access to abortion care before Roe, as a founding member of the Jane Collective. Bev and Jonas are thrilled to get a masterclass from 80-year-old…
S2E9 "After Dobbs": A conversation with authors David Cohen and Carole Joffe
Who is your favorite dynamic duo? Batman and Robin? He-man and She-ra? You probably don’t have a sociologist and lawyer pair on your list, but we would argue that you should! This week Bev and Jonas…
Re-run from Season 1: Are women people?
We're replaying one of our favorites from season 1 - an interview with Professor Katie Watson from Northwestern. She is the author of Scarlet A: The ethics, law, and politics of ordinary abortion and…
S2E8 The Helpers Part 2: Planes, trains, and automobiles
Traveling during the holidays is full of unexpected mishaps due to the sheer numbers of fellow travelers. Travelling for an abortion is challenging all year round — because lawmakers have designed it…
S2E7 The Helpers Part 1: Finding room at the inn
You’ve driven hundreds of miles to get an abortion. Took off work (unpaid), and so did your partner, who’s home with the kids. Staying overnight is a necessity but too expensive, and will it even be…
S2E6 Abortion, family style
It’s time again for awkward silences and passive aggressive compliments with a side of mashed potatoes. So we’re seeking solutions to the age-old question: What do we say to friends and relatives…
S2 The Dream Feed Drop! "Babies not having babies"
Enjoy a bonus episode from The Dream podcast. This past year Charlotte Isenberg, a once-popular teen anti-abortion activist, found herself switching sides in this national debate. What happened to…
S2E5 What we are talking about when we talk about abortion
Jonas and Bev talk with Renee Bracey Sherman, reproductive justice advocate, founder of We Testify, and author of the fantastic book: Liberating Abortion: Claiming our history, sharing our stories,…
S2E4 Abortion on the moon
We’ve heard individual stories of the impact of Dobbs on reproductive care. But what do we know about the larger societal impact of bans and restrictions across the United States? Economist and…
S2E3 A spoonful of science helps the medicine go down
The combination of mifepristone and misoprostol is currently the most common abortion method in the US, and increased access to medication abortion through telemedicine is the only way for many…
S2E2 Going even further south for hope
Bev and Jonas interview Asha Dahya, an Emmy-nominated producer, writer, TEDx speaker and storyteller. She is the co-host of the podcast “Green Tide Rising” about the Green Wave movement in Latin…
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Outlawed has published 33 episodes since November 2024, covering topics in Documentary, Health & Fitness.
Outlawed is currently highly active with new episodes every 2 weeks. Average episode length is 35m.
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