Relating to DevSecOps
Ken Toler and Mike McCabe
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S1E83 Episode #083: AI Mythos, Security Fundamentals, and the Zero-Day Panic Cycle
Send us Fan MailKen and Mike are back in the AI trenches, this time unpacking the hype, fear, and practical security implications surrounding Anthropic’s Mythos preview. As the industry reacts to…
S1E82 Episode #082: AI Hype, Human Cost
Send us Fan MailKen and Mike are back from the grave to kick off 2026 with a timely debate on the AI panic cycle hitting software and security. They dig into the biggest questions flying around the…
S1E81 Episode #081: Burnout by Budget Season: Surviving Q4 in Security
Send us Fan MailIn this candid and cathartic episode, Ken and Mike unpack the chaos that is Q4 for security professionals. From budget burnouts to end-of-year pentesting sprints, they explore why the…
S1E80 Episode #080: Patch Me If You Can: Compliance, SLAs, and Other Fairytales
Send us Fan MailIn this no-punches-pulled return from hiatus, Ken and Mike dig deep into the messy middle of vulnerability management, SLA fatigue, and the illusion of compliance. Are we building…
S1E79 Episode #079: CISOver It: When Dashboards Replace Direction
Send us Fan MailIn this episode of Relating to DevSecOps, Ken and Mike discuss the challenges faced by CISOs in today's security landscape, particularly the struggle to balance immediate security…
S1E78 Episode #078: 🔥 Burn Your 30-page Policies: Tanya’s Got Better Ideas
Send us Fan MailIn this must-listen episode of Relating to DevSecOps, Ken welcomes the ever-inspiring Tanya Janca, aka SheHacksPurple—author, AppSec expert, and champion of making security usable.…
Episode #077: Is Google Eating the Cloud? 🔥 Wiz.io Acquisition Hot Takes
Send us Fan MailIn this episode of Relating to DevSecOps, Ken Toler and Mike McCabe dive deep into Google's blockbuster acquisition of Wiz.io for a reported $32 billion. They explore the implications…
S1E76 Episode #076: ShmooBalls & Open Source Brawls: DevSecOps, Risk, and the Final ShmooCon
Send us Fan MailWelcome to 2025! Ken and Mike kick off the new year with their security resolutions (or lack thereof) before diving into the bittersweet farewell to ShmooCon, one of the most beloved…
S1E75 Episode #075: Ghosts of DevSecOps: Past, Present, and Future
Send us Fan MailIn this special holiday-themed episode of Relating to DevSecOps, hosts Ken and Mike channel their inner Dickens with a retrospective journey through the "Ghosts of DevSecOps Past,…
S1E74 Episode #074: Battling Budgets in Security
Send us Fan MailIn this episode of Relating to DevSecOps, hosts Ken and Mike tackle the complex challenges of managing security budgets in organizations of all sizes. From small, scrappy teams to…
S1E73 Episode #073: Staffing Security in DevSecOps
Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Ken and Mike discuss the pressing issue of staffing security in the DevSecOps field. They explore the challenges of finding qualified application security…
S1E72 Episode #072: Measuring the Immeasurable: The Power and Pitfalls of Metrics in DevSecOps
Send us Fan MailKen and Mike dive deep into the world of metrics and measurement in the context of security and DevSecOps. They explore the critical role metrics play in driving security…
S1E71 Episode #071: Retro Vibes with Retrospectives
Send us Fan MailKen and Mike discuss the importance of postmortems in incident response and security incidents. They explore the definition of postmortems, the value of reflection, the challenges of…
S1E70 Episode: #070: Putting da BOM in SBOM and SCA
Send us Fan MailKen and Mike discuss supply chain security, including software composition analysis (SCA) and software bill of materials (SBOM). They highlight the importance of understanding the…
S1E69 Episode #069: Your SaaS is Grass
Send us Fan MailIn this episode Mike and Ken dive into the wild world of SaaS products in DevSecOps. From vendors to security tooling hygiene they cover an often overlooked ecosystem of cloud and…
S1E68 Episode #068: Data Breaches and DevSecOps
Send us Fan MailWith pep and full youtube energy Ken and Mike discuss the findings of the IBM "Cost of a Data Breach" report and its implications for DevSecOps. They highlight the importance of…
S1E67 Episode #067: Welcome to 2024! AppSec Resolutions and A Smhoocon Recap
Send us Fan MailKen and Mike discuss their new year's resolutions related to application security. They also reflect on the impact of AI and its adoption in the industry. The hosts share their…
S1E66 Episode #066: Exploration of the Shifting Definition of Shifting Left
Send us Fan MailWe are joined by incredible guests Mikhail Chechik and Marcus Hallberg as they help us define DevSecOps and emphasize the importance of a security mindset throughout the development…
S1E65 Episode #065: LASCON 2023 Recap - AI, a Misunderstood Menace or Magic Bullet
Send us Fan MailOn this episode of R2DSO Mike and Ken dive into their takeaways and experiences from LASCON 2023 in Austin, TX where AI was both a problem child and praised bringer of salvation in…
S1E64 Episode #064: Don't Instigate, Mitigate!
Send us Fan MailIn this episode Ken and Mike dive directly into the meat with solutioning and mitigation. All too often security professionals finding themselves falling into the trap of focusing on…
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