Episodes 23
Avg. Duration 58m
Activity Highly Active
Apple Rating 4.5 (19)
Since Jan 2020
Latest Episode May 2026

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About This Podcast

An exploration of a broken, if beautiful, institution, the law, and tradition, America. Season one told the story of a case, LESSIG v. NYT. Season two begins the story about a country, America, and values that country has betrayed.

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S3E10 Bonus episode: NotebookLM's summary of the case (Corrected)

May 22, 2026 44m

In this episode, we share a podcast create by NotebookLM based on the transcripts from the 9 episodes of the podcast. It is a powerful summary of the case, which is a great introduction to the issues…

S3E9 The Closing Argument

May 06, 2026 1h 52m

In this final episode, Lessig pulls together the argument from across the season. Why did this happen? What should happen next?

S3E8 Unpacking the final allegation — "Allegation 1"

Apr 17, 2026 47m

Allegation 1 is the only allegation within the 6 year limit for fraud investigation. In this episode, we show why it too fails — and the astonishing failure in the investigation that could have shown…

S3E7 Unpacking "Allegation 3"

Apr 15, 2026 48m

In this episode, we review Allegation 3, and reveal the simple omission that undermined the investigation into this allegation.

S3E6 Dismantling "Allegation 4"

Jan 30, 2026 58m

We continue in this episode by unpacking the charges behind allegation number 4, which involved a paper written 15 years ago.

S3E5 Allegation 2, continued

Dec 01, 2025 8m

Clarifying one additional point about Allegation 2 in less than ten minutes.

S3E4 Dismantling "Allegation 2"

Nov 17, 2025 59m

So far, this podcast has considered the procedural flaws that marred the process that led to Francesca Gino's tenure being revoked. With this episode, we begin dismantling the substantive conclusions…

S3E3 How you know when a process has too many lawyers

Sep 18, 2025 1h 17m

In this second of two episodes interviewing Francesca, we cover the period from HBS' determination that she had committed academic misconduct through the University's decision to revoke her tenure.

S3E2 How You Know a Business School is Not a Law School

Aug 21, 2025 1h 53m

In this first of two episodes interviewing Francesca, we cover a bit about the nature of her work, and then the period beginning from the charges being raised against her through the business…

S3E1 Introduction

Aug 21, 2025 24m

Francesca Gino was a superstar at the Harvard Business School. This year, she was fired for academic misconduct. In this season, we'll explore that story through interviews with Francesca and others.…

S2E8 Episode 8 - System Error

Nov 09, 2021 1h 16m

Lessig talks to Rob Reich, Jeremy M. Weinstein and Mehran Sahami about their new book, SYSTEM ERROR — which unpacks the effect of technology on culture and policy, and redirects how we might respond.

S2E7 Episode 7 - David Vine

Sep 30, 2021 1h 22m

American University Professor David Vine has developed a powerful critique of the war mentality that America takes for granted. We argue about whether we should be a "welfare state." Why don't we…

S2E6 Episode 6 - Daniel Immerwahr

Sep 23, 2021 1h 1m

A discussion with Daniel Immerwahr about his book, How to Hide An Empire. The United States is not comprised solely of states. As well as states, our nation includes territories. This book tells the…

S2E5 Episode 5 - Zephyr Teachout

Sep 16, 2021 1h 16m

A discussion with Zephyr Teachout about her book, Break 'Em Up. Zephyr is the most important thinker on the Democratic left. This conversation continues from the last about how markets have been…

S2E4 Episode 4 - Barry Lynn

Sep 09, 2021 1h 10m

A discussion with Barry Lynn about his new book, Liberty from All Masters. There is a kind of competitive market that the American story presumes — competitive, every actor having limited power over…

S2E3 Episode 3 - Stephen Kinzer

Sep 02, 2021 1h 24m

A discussion with Stephen Kinzer about his book, Overthrow. Overthrow tells the story of the many times the United States has intervened directly and militarily to change the course of government in…

S2E2 Episode 2 - Edward Snowden

Aug 26, 2021 1h 47m

A discussion with Edward Snowden about his new book, Permanent Record. In 2013, Snowden revealed to the world the extent of the US government's mass surveillance program. This book tells the story of…

S2E1 Episode 1 - Andrew Bacevich

Aug 19, 2021 1h 6m

A discussion with Andrew Bacevich about his new book, After the Apocolypse. Bacevich is America's most thoughtful conservative skeptic about the scope of America's military empire, and the urgent…

S2 Season 2 Intro

Aug 12, 2021 10m Trailer

This is an introduction of this season and ideas that the season will explore. Anti-empire, privacy, and competition: these ideas, or as I will call them, values, represent the best of who we've…

S1E4 EP 4 - Case Closed

Jul 01, 2020 32m

In a surprising twist, the New York Times changed its headline and lede. In this episode, Lessig explains the decision to withdraw the case.

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