The Other 22 Hours
Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss
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An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between.
A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world.
Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From navigating doubt to finding stillness, this is the reality of the work. Unfiltered.
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Heather Mae on social justice songwriting, the hedonic treadmill, and hearing god during a massage.
We often look at an artist's career through the lens of industry accolades: the tours, the streaming numbers, the awards. But what happens when you intentionally dismantle your creative ego to build…
Matraca Berg on the Nashville Hit Machine, streaming economics, and getting busted by bro country.
We often treat commercial success as the final destination of a creative life, but for legendary songwriter Matraca Berg, it was just the first act. She was the first woman to have five different…
Rob Moose on the feast-or-famine mindset, songs as love letters, and remaining child-like.
Behind nearly every influential indie-rock and pop record of the last 15 years has been the brilliant mind and hand of string arranger and multi-instrumentalist Rob Moose. The three-time GRAMMY…
Michaela Anne + Aaron Shafer-Haiss on intuition vs assumption, creative ownership, and vulnerability as a faucet.
To celebrate our 150th episode, we try a bit of an experiment: interviewing ourselves, for the first time. After nearly two decades of partnership, we examine the evolution of the creative self.…
Molly Tuttle on genre fluidity, artistic anxiety, and micro-managing travel routing.
Molly Tuttle has shared stages with Ringo Starr and Billy Strings, yet she still grapples with the unpredictable "ups and downs" of a musician's schedule, and the inherent instability of the road. We…
Asleep at the Wheel on artistic identity, the vow of poverty, and why the geographic imperative is BS.
Ray Benson is an absolute pillar of American music, a nine-time GRAMMY winner whose band, Asleep at the Wheel, has defined western swing for over half a century. In this conversation, we talk with…
Nitty Gritty Dirt Band (Jeff Hanna) on a 60-year touring career, records with hair on them, and the joy in folding laundry.
As a founding member of the legendary Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and a three-time Grammy winner, Jeff Hanna has navigated nearly sixty years in the industry, which also includes credits with the likes of…
Writing for the soul vs. writing for the brief, from writers to editors.
As the architect behind Rolling Stone Country and the host of the Nashville Now podcast, Joe Hudak has spent decades at the center of the industry. Along with Alison Abbey Hudak, a veteran editor who…
Derek Trucks on collaborative marriage, mentorship, and the healing power of a soundcheck poodle.
What happens to the creative spirit when you have been a professional "lifer" since the age of nine? Derek Trucks, widely considered one of the greatest guitarists of all time and a veteran of the…
Suzy Bogguss on pioneering the indie path, the quality of community, and disgusting freezers.
How does an artist outlast the industry machine to build a career entirely on her own terms? We sit down with GRAMMY-winner, ACM Vocalist of the year, and CMA Horizon Award recipient Suzy Bogguss to…
Amythyst Kiah on psychic sovereignty, success envy, and the self-improvement doom loop.
GRAMMY-nominated songwriter Amythyst Kiah has performed with Moby and Billy Strings and is a member of the supergroup Our Native Daughters. She joins us for a startlingly honest look at the "farce of…
James Victore on radical integrity, questioning authority, and getting paid $20,000 to shut up.
James Victore is an Emmy Award-winning artist and author whose work is held in the permanent collection of the Louvre and has been exhibited many times at MoMA (NYC). Victore has shaped the visual…
S.G. Goodman on scarcity mindset, manual labor, and the art of letting go.
Singer-songwriter S.G. Goodman has earned critical acclaim, award nominations, and has worked with legends like Tyler Childers, Jason Isbell, and Jim James of My Morning Jacket. In this episode, we…
Hunter Hayes on identity beyond music, high-efficiency routines, and radical vulnerability.
5-time GRAMMY-nominee Hunter Hayes has spent his entire life on the national stage, from performing at the White House at age seven to sharing stadium spotlights with the likes of Stevie Wonder and…
Butch Walker on accidental careers, the ego-driven climb, and 'shut up and sing'.
Butch Walker has spent decades at the summit of the music industry, producing multi-platinum records for icons like Pink, Katy Perry, and Green Day while fronting his own high-energy solo tours. Yet,…
Kathleen Edwards on losing perspective, winning the lottery, and 'Quitters'.
Kathleen Edwards has been releasing records for over 20 years on labels such as Rounder and Dualtone, she is critically acclaimed by NPR, The New York Times, The New Yorker, and Rolling Stone, and…
How UMAW is leading the labor movement to save the music industry.
UMAW (the United Musicians and Allied Workers) is a labor organization that 'Aims to organize music workers to fight for a more just music industry and to join with other workers in the struggle for…
Chely Wright on strategic reinvention, the "pink haze" of losing everything, and 10,000 sunrises.
Chely Wright has sold over 1.5 million records with 90s country anthems like "Single White Female" and "Shut Up and Drive," she released her landmark autobiography, "Like Me" in 2010, becoming the…
Jim Keller on the crash and burn, ego death, and the magic of jam sessions.
Jim Keller started in the music industry as part of Tommy Tutone, writing the hit '867-5309/Jenny', then the bands career sank and he left performing, landing as an assistant and then manager for…
Max Wanger on listening to the lull, asking questions, and staying curious.
Max Wanger is an LA-based photographer who has shot the likes of Taylor Swift, Mandy Moore, Blake Mills, Glen Hansard, Madison Cunningham and past guests of ours Lucius, The Watson Twins, and The…
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