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0254 Lysis 222e
Socrates gives a summation of the case, as if in a lawcourt, listing all the things which friendship is not. Were the list to be true, we would need to conclude not only that friendship is still…
0253 Lysis 222d
The boys a.re unchanged by the entire conversation, despite Socrates' attempt to intoxicate them with words. The main problem the boys have is an inability to compare what is being said with what has…
0252 Lysis 222c
More evidence at the end of the dialogue that the boys are unable to put two thoughts together to create a rational conclusion. They appear not to understand even what "the same" means, let alone…
0251 Lysis 222c
Musings on a single sentence which may throw light on the entire dialogue. Socrates claims that they are, as it were, drunk by the logos. The need for the strange example earlier on of a dear son who…
0250 Lysis 222a
An incautious reader of the dialogue might conclude that the entire discussion between Socrates, Lysis, and Menexenus, is a demonstration for Hippothales' benefit, designed to prove that the one…
0249 Lysis 221e
Socrates finally reaches his sophistic conclusion, unsettling for Lysis, but Menexenus appears blissfully unaware of the implications. What is very clear is that the boys are oblivious to the…
0248 Lysis 221b
Socrates uses the same terminology from three different arguments to mix and match and thoroughly confuse Menexenus into agreeing that the one who desires someone is that person's friend.Here I read…
0247 Lysis 220e
Having proved that the target of philia must have the bad present, Socrates now produces a new argument supposedly proving the opposite, that the target of philia need not have the bad in it,…
0246 Lysis 220d
There is no friendly/dear thing if the truly friendly/dear thing towards which it is friendly/dear does not have in it the bad. This, at least, is a summary of Socrates' summary of the new position…
0245 Lysis 220a
To exemplify Socrates' deliberately confusing formula, if we take the son from the last episode, it is only because of the bad (the hemlock) being added to the good (the son), that there becomes a…
0244 Lysis 219d
Socrates develops the possibility that like can actually be friendly to like into a slightly different argument with a somewhat horrific example whereby a father values his son above all other…
0243 Lysis 219c
Now Socrates considers the case of like being friendly to like - something which was rejected in one of the earlier arguments. Like being friendlly to like allows for a chain of friendly things, all…
0242 Lysis 219a
Back to the argument concerning the body being a friend of the medical art because of disease. This time, the argument has a new twist. The body is a friend of the friendl medical art because of the…
0241 Lysis 218d
Socrates revisits the eristic argument about the neutral body having sickness in it, and it doesn't sound any better this time around.Here I read through Platonic dialogues, translating and…
0240 Lysis 218c
Socrates expresses dissatisfaction, just when he has led his current audience to think that he has successfully hunted the boys.Here I read through Platonic dialogues, translating and commenting on…
0239 Lysis 218b
Socrates is concluding the argument with both boys which combines the arguments he had had with them separately. With Lysis, the Philon is not of like with like, with Menexenus, the Philon is not of…
0238 Lysis 217e
Socrates is still developing the notion of two different kinds of agent, one making a thing appear, and another making a thing be. He has moved from the examples of disease in the body and whiteness…
0237 Lysis 217d
Socrates develops his sophistic argument that what is neither one extreme nor its opposite may contain one of the extremes without acquiring the characteristic of that extreme, or indeed may acquire…
0236 Lysis 217c
A lesson in sophistry. We also learn that Menexenus had brown hair.Here I read through Platonic dialogues, translating and commenting on the Greek text as I go.The resulting analyses may be found…
0235 Lysis 217a
Socrates argues sophistically for the position that what is neither good nor bad is dear to, or conversely a friend of (slipping between philon with dative and genitive), the good. He uses as his…
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