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One lawyer’s journey to transform his legal practice.
Version Up (versionup.ai) is a podcast about deploying AI and technology in legal practice. Host Kaj Rozga — a lawyer leading innovation inside a legal team at a Global 500 — cuts through the noise to talk with the practitioners, founders, and operators actually doing the work of rebuilding the practice and business of law for the AI era.
Each episode is a practical conversation about what’s working, what isn’t, and what’s worth paying attention to. No hype. No sponsored takes. Just an honest dialogue about building and deploying legal technology at law firms and corporate legal departments.
For lawyers, innovation leaders, legal ops professionals, founders and investors who want the TL;DR on the state of play in legal tech.
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Commitment Over Curiosity: The Real Drivers of AI Transformation at Law Firms
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The Frontier Labs Go Legal Vertical: What It Means for Law Firms, Vendors, and Investors in LegalTech
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Version Up has published 29 episodes since March 2025, covering topics in Technology.
Version Up is currently highly active with new episodes weekly. Average episode length is 46m.
