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2x monthly personal stories about how career pivots, side projects, and hobbies build a more resilient and confident self. Co-hosted by wife duo Dr. Claire Ma and Dr. Melissa Betters.
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Ep16: How Writing Cultivated Community with Amy Betters-Midtvedt
This week, we speak with educator, writer, and public speaker Amy Betters-Midtvedt. The author of the popular parenting book, You'll Make It (and They Will Too): Everything No One Talks About When…
Ep15: How Entrepreneurship Created Alignment with Dr. Brielle Harbin
In this episode, Dr. Brielle Harbin shares her journey from tenured professor to entrepreneur and education consultant—and how building a “second trick” outside traditional academia reshaped her…
Ep14: How Cooking Opened Doors with Ilaria Ricci
This week features a special reunion with chef Ilaria Ricci, owner of Fancy Food Florence. Trained at Le Cordon Bleu in Paris and with over twenty years of experience as a professional chef,…
Ep13: How Wildlife Photography Builds Curiosity with Drew Martin
This week, we speak with Drew Martin, a nature educator and guide in the Florida Keys with experience in marine biology and exhibit design. An avid wildlife photographer, Drew tells us how he’s…
Ep12: How Flower Farming Brought Growth with Dr. Alanna Messner-Scholl
It’s almost Valentine’s Day, and who better to bring onto the show than our own wedding florist Alanna Messner-Scholl? In this fun reunion, we talk with Alanna about her career pivot from PhD-trained…
Ep11: How Weightlifting Builds Courage with Dr. Kristin Harlow
In this conversation, we speak with Dr. Kristin Harlow, a former academic and policy evaluator-turned-weightlifting trainer. We learn from Kristin about her lifelong love for athletics and how she’s…
Ep10: How Letting Go Leads to Authenticity with April Lee
In this episode, we have a wide-ranging conversation about a personal search for meaning. A former government employee, April Lee speaks with us about how she left her job to explore creative crafts,…
Ep9: How Building Instruments Pushes Boundaries with John C.L. Jansen
New Year’s is a great time to consider a new hobby! We start the year off with professional musician, composer, and instrument maker John C.L. Jansen. We hear about the craft of building unusual…
Ep8: How the Culinary Arts Build Resilience with Masid Cader
This week’s interview is for those who prefer to go big or go home. We talk with hobbyist chef Masid Cader about his experience fast-tracking his interest in gourmet cooking, including training with…
Ep7: How Food Writing Builds Belonging with PAKISTAN author Maryam Jillani
Just in time for Thanksgiving, we interview Maryam Jillani about her journey as a food journalist and her experience writing the groundbreaking cookbook PAKISTAN. In our conversation, we learn about…
Ep6: How Birding Brings Perspective with Nova Hanson
This week, we talk with marine biologist and medical technician Nova Hanson about her love for birding and photography, and how she keeps her hobby fun and meaningful. ----more---- Resources…
Ep5: How Drag Builds Joy with Tammy Kay Queen
In this week’s episode, we get a look behind the showroom curtain in our interview with Tommy Zoppa, better known as the drag queen Tammy Kay Queen. In our interview, we hear about how Tommy took a…
Ep4: How Pottery Builds Creativity with Jenny Nam
This week, we interview Jenny Nam, a data analyst and hobbyist potter in Philadelphia, about her basement home studio and her mother’s 10-year rule when trying out new things. Resources mentioned in…
Ep3: How Gardening Can Heal with Sharad Wertheimer
This week, we continue learning about gardens and major career pivots with Sharad Wertheimer, a former labor organizer and current medical student in Washington, D.C. In our conversation, Sharad…
Ep2: How Horticulture Built Confidence with Honor Hawkins
In this episode, we talk with Honor Hawkins, a landscape designer and horticulturalist in New York City, about her serendipitous career pivot from media and technical writing to professionally…
Ep1: How Baking Builds Community with Dr. Claudia Ma
In our first conversation, we interview family physician Dr. Claudia Ma about Claudia’s Confections, her new licensed home baking venture in Boston, MA, and how she cares for others through medicine…
Trailer: Welcome to 2 Trick Pony
Welcome to 2 Trick Pony! In this premiere episode, co-hosts Claire Ma and Melissa Betters introduce the 2 Trick Pony podcast and explain the motivations behind the show.
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2 Trick Pony has published 17 episodes since September 2025, covering topics in Business, Careers.
2 Trick Pony is currently highly active with new episodes every 2 weeks. Average episode length is 36m.
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